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humanity has long dreamed of finding a fountain of youth, experimenters have found ways to extend the lifespan of other species by tenfold. More recently, we've discovered age reversing drugs and tested them in humans. Will science one day allow us to live indefinitely? What are the consequences? Today we will find out, enjoy. Can aging be cured, eternal youth has long been a dream. Now, through modern science, humanity is on the verge of curing aging and achieving immortality. The pyramids were built to grant eternal life to the pharaohs buried within them. China's first Emperor Qin Shi Huang, Send 1000 people out on ships to find the elixir of life non returned. These examples show how far people will go to escape their fate. Our oldest recorded story, The Epic of Gilgamesh is 4100 years old. It details one King's Quest for immortality. failing in that, he finds a plant that promises rejuvenation, only for it to be stolen by a serpent. The 3500 year old reader of the Hindu tradition describes a drink of the gods called amritha. It confers to its drinkers knowledge and immortality, the demon snake rat who tried but failed to steal it. In the book of Genesis compiled 2600 years ago, a serpent tricked Adam and Eve into eating from the tree of knowledge. For this God banished humans from Paradise. Humans, thereby lost Access to eat from the tree of life which conferred immortality. Even science tells the story of immortality lost. Early in our evolutionary lineage, we were single celled organisms. These cells did not age, they were immortal. But with the advent of sexual reproduction, individual immortality was no longer necessary for the continuation of the species. And so immortality was lost. People have long dreamed of returning to this immortal state, to eat the food of the gods and to bathe in the fountain of youth. But is this dream attainable? eternal youth through supernatural means might forever be a dream, but what about eternal youth through the magic of technology? quote, religion talks about transcending death, but it has a mystical answer to how that happens. In fact, we find this transcendence in the real thing. physical world. We find it in technology. If you put materials and energy in the right configurations, magical things happen. And quote, Ray Kurzweil are there medicines or treatments that could reverse aging and restore youth? is eternal life technically possible. If such therapies can be developed and made available in your lifetime, then you can consider yourself already mortal. For these therapies, there is no limit to how long you might inhabit this world. We are closer to realizing these treatments than is generally realized. As reversing drugs have already seen human testing a maximum lifespan How come no one lives to celebrate their 200th birthday. Even if a person avoids serious injury and disease, their body still gives out around the maximum 120 years. It's like we are built with planned obsolescence like a smartphone that gives out the day after its warranty expires. No matter how careful one is or how well one takes care of their body, Death comes for all. But there are reasons to be hopeful. For one, there is no biological, chemical or physical law that requires life forms to eventually die. Quote, there is nothing in biology yet found that indicates the inevitability of death. This suggests to me that it is not at all inevitable and that it is only a matter of time before the biologists discover what it is that is causing us the trouble and that the terrible universal disease or temporary illness of the human's body will be cured. And quote, Richard Fineman, the pleasure of finding things out 1999 the disease of aging There is a disease that affects 100% of the population. Worse, it's universally fatal. The disease of aging. Aging is not usually considered a disease, but it is a disease in the literal sense of the word. Aging certainly causes dis ease. Aging impairs the immune system increases healing time, reduces muscle mass dulls the senses and lowers energy. Quote, I grabbed a pile of dust and holding it up foolishly asked for as many birthdays as the grains of dust. I forgot to ask that they be years of youth and quote of it in metamorphosis ad. We may not be able to stop the accumulation of years as Time marches on, but perhaps it is not necessary that our bodies become increasingly frail with the passage of time. The body as a machine. The fields of medicine and anatomy regard the human body as a machine, a sophisticated one, but a machine nonetheless. This view took shape in the 1600s. Quote, I would like you to consider that these functions, including passion, memory, and imagination, follow from the mere arrangement of the machines organs every bit as naturally as the movements of a clock or other automaton follow from the arrangement of its counterweights and wheels. And quote, Rene Descartes, in treatise on man 1633 quotes for what is the heart, but a spring and the nerves, but so many strings and the joints, but so many wheels, giving motion to the whole body, such as was intended by the artificer and quote, Thomas Hobbes in the Leviathan 1650 Each body part has its own function. The heart pump, the nerves wires, the fatter fuel tank, the lungs and air intake kidneys and exhaust system, muscles motors, the brain or computer. Aging is wear and tear. A major accident is not required for a car to break down and stop working. A car can break down from lack of maintenance and repair. The car dies from the accumulation of many small injuries which we call wear and tear. The balding of tire treads the buildup of particles in motor oil, the grinding of gears, clogging of filters, they all add up. individually. None of these is faithful, but it leads to death by 1000 cuts. It is the accumulation of many small injuries we don't see. Aging is similar as cellular machines. bodies have two parts one cells and two, the stuff between cells. Accordingly, any persistent damage to our machinery manifests either in the cells or in the stuff between them. between 1955 and 1982. Science went from having almost no understanding of the mechanisms of aging to having what is now considered a complete picture. No new forms of age related damage have been discovered since 1982. age related damage falls into seven categories. The aging researcher and biomedical gerontologist Aubrey de Grey has nicknamed these The Seven Deadly Sins of aging. seven types of damage are responsible for all the effects of aging. One junk inside cells, every cell in your body has its own stomach called the lysosomes liposomes breakdown harmful and useless molecules in the cell. But not every molecule can be perfectly digested. This lysosomal waste builds up as Lipofuscin granules, like dirt in motor oil. This gunks up the machinery of the cell, causing diseases like macular degeneration and Parkinson's disease. To junk oxide cells, junk can accumulate in the spaces between cells. Examples include the buildup of atheromatous plaques in arterial walls that cause atherosclerosis and associated cardiovascular diseases. Similarly, neuritic plaques accumulate around brain cells and are thought to play a role in Alzheimer's disease. Three to few cells. after dividing about 50 times human cells become senescent and stop dividing. This leads to many dysfunctions. The heart weakens as hot cells aren't replaced fast enough organs like the kidney and liver have become less efficient as cells die and are not replaced. Loss of pancreatic beta cells leads to diabetes. Loss of pigment producing cells causes us to gray. For too many cells, senescence cells often become dysfunctional. They not only sit around doing nothing, they become deadweight. They use resources that could be used by healthy and functional cells. These lighters cause sub optimal function of our tissues and organs. They can also secrete harmful proteins that cause cancer in surrounding cells. Five mutations and chromosomal DNA mutations to our nuclear DNA can cause cellular dysfunction. The most severe form occurs when tumor suppressor genes are damaged. This leads to tumors and cancer, both of which result from uncontrolled cell division. Sex mutations in mitochondrial DNA. mitochondria are the power plants of our cells. They produce the energy molecule ATP and are responsible for body heat. mutations in mitochondrial DNA impact the cell's ability to function and reduce metabolic efficiency. The membranes of mitochondria become leaky, and like having a hole in a fuel line, less gas makes it to the engine. Seven protein cross links protein cross links are the scaffolding that hold ourselves together. Without them, you will fall apart into a pile of goo. These cross links are made of proteins like collagen and elastin. Over time, sugar molecules bind to these proteins causing them to stiffen. Loss of elasticity is responsible for wrinkles, hardening of arteries, while hardening of the lens causes farsightedness. Is it possible to undo all These forms of age related damage, immortality, nature, immortality and eternal youth are possible. Why don't we see them? Surely some species would have figured it out. But then why don't we find million year old trees and thousand year old animals? Why aren't there creatures that maintain a youthful vigor throughout their lives? Surely that would convey some evolutionary advantage. Actually, biologists have found species that don't weaken with age. These species only seemed to get bigger and stronger with time, forever young. Some species experienced Negligible Senescence, they show little to no diminishment with age. These animals include sea anemones, ocean co hawgs lobsters, refined rockfish, Greenland sharks, and naked mole rats. Besides showing them signs of aging. These creatures are long lived. naked mole rats, despite being the size of mice live eight times longer. Unlike all other mammals, the annual chance of dying for a naked mole rat does not increase as they age, it stays constant. The oldest known ocean Chua Hawk was 507 years old, and the oldest Greenland shark was estimated to be as old as 512 years. Biological immortality Negligible Senescence shows that some organisms can avoid or repair the damage that comes from aging. Despite this, these creatures still eventually die. They are long lived but they are not immortal. Is it possible for organisms to not only remain young, but live forever? immortal organisms that truly immortal creature would not just live for hundreds of years, but millions or billions of years. In 1995, the microbiologist Raul canto revived yeast that had been trapped in amber for 45 million years. These yeast cells survived over geological periods of time, in 2011 cannot achieve his dream and use these yeast to craft beer. Scientists have sprouted 31,800 year old seeds and revived worms that laid frozen in Siberia for 42,000 years. Bacteria spores trapped in a salt crystal for a quarter billion years have been returned to life. as remarkable as these cases are, none of these organisms were fully alive during these times. They were not eating, breathing or reproducing. They idled in a dormant state waiting for reactivation. The immortal life forms we seek and in some kind of stasis but should be actually living for millions of years. years. They need to be metabolically active, eating, digesting, breathing, moving, reproducing. As it happens, there are creatures on this planet that have lived billions of years. Some can probably be found in locations not far from you, immortal cells. There is an amoeba that is between 750,000,001 point 5 billion years old. It has been surviving hunting and eating every day for the past billion years. this very same Amoeba predates all fish and plants. It is older than the continents. It watched the dinosaurs rise and fall. We know it is ancient because some of its cousins left behind fossils. How could this creature have survived for so long? How could it always be in the right place and time to avoid being stepped on or eaten it all comes down to how amoebas reproduce amoebas reproduced by splitting in half. So then which of the two is the original? Both are made entirely from atoms and molecules of the original. Both have equal vitality, neither his mother or daughter. Accordingly, you can start from any Amoeba alive today and trace its history back through the eons. Eventually, this backwards trace will reach something too unlike an amoeba to still be called one, perhaps at a time around 1.5 billion years ago when they're kind of known as protests were the dominant life on Earth. Every Amoeba alive today is the first Amoeba all are equally ancient quotes. That first Amoeba weirdly clever. exists today and shall forever because he reproduced by fishing. He split himself And each division and subdivision deemed it fitting to keep on splitting, splitting, splitting. So whatsoever there billions be all all the labors still are he end quote. After getting many no to the Amoeba 1922 humans often consider themselves the pinnacle of evolution. But the amoebas genome is hundreds of times larger than ours. The Amoeba has had much time to learn tricks to survive in varying conditions Earth has produced over the past billion years. One of those tricks is the secret to immortality and eternal youth. We share a common ancestor with the Amoeba, Amoeba, our cousins. Perhaps we have retained in ourselves some of the genes necessary to live forever. genes to clear cellular junk and rejuvenate old cells. Perhaps there is a way to reactivate these ancient genes. But the Amoeba, unlike our bodies, is just a single cell. It doesn't have to deal with junk building up between cells. Is there any evidence of immortality in multicellular life? Are there immortal plants and animals, immortal animals? The Hydra of Lana is a creature of Greek and Roman mythology. It protects the entrance to the underworld. The Hydra has many snake like heads. It lives in the water and can regenerate if any head is cut off to more grow in its place. The Hydra of Lana was a myth, but there is a real life Hydra. It was first described by the father of microbiology Antoni Van laeven hook in 1702. Like the Hydra from mythology, this hydrates aquatic and has many snake like appendages. In the micro world, the real hydrate is every bit as terrifying as the mythical one. its tentacles are paralyzing to the touch. When it eats it rips and opening in itself to make a mouth. This enables Hydra to swallow pray larger than itself.in 1744 Abraham Trembley discovered the Hydras regeneration abilities. If a hiders arm is cut off, not only will it grow back, but the severed limb will regrow into a second Hydra. In 1971, researchers took this to the extreme. They found that Hydra could be cut into hundreds of pieces and found every clump with at least a few hundred cells reassembled into a new Hydra. In 1998. A study concluded that Hydra may even be immortal. Quote, the results provide no evidence for a In Hydra, mortality rates have remained extremely low and there are no apparent signs of decline in reproductive rates. Hydra may have indeed escaped senescence and may be potentially immortal. And quote, biologist Daniel Lee Martinez in his study of Hydra 1998 like the Amoeba Hydra reproduced by splitting, but the vitality of the buddied off individually is no more or less than the original. This suggests that Hydra, like Amoeba are immortal. But unlike Amoeba, Hydra animals, while small, they contain 10s of thousands of cells and can grow to several centimeters large enough to be seen by the naked eye. Their closest relatives are sea anemone and jellyfish. hydrous Oh, they're regeneration ability to the fact that they are filled with stem cells. Some even described Hydra as nothing but stem cells. But Hydra, tiny cannon and mortality exist in large life forms. Immortal plants. The largest known living thing is not a whale, nor a Sequoia tree, but something much bigger. It takes up 100 acres and weighs 6600 tons 1000 times more than an elephant and three times more than the largest Sequoia. In addition to being the largest organism, it is also one of the oldest, it's 80,000 years old, like the hydrate is believed to be immortal. This organism is a plant. It is a vast interconnected root structure, which manifests above ground as an Aspen forest. What we perceive to be individual aspen trees are more like branches of the same tree. These branches spring up from underground And can appear up to 100 feet away as root suckers spread through the soil. The largest known Aspen tree system is called pendo. Found in Utah. Genetic testing revealed all trunks belong to the same organism. Panda is 80,000 years old 20 times the age of the Great Pyramid. When it sprouted, there were only about 10,000 humans on Earth. the immortality of Hydra, and Aspen's tells us immortality doesn't require being single celled, small or a plant. immortality only requires mechanisms for renewal. Immortal species. When we stop and think we realize that all species are immortal. every species has mechanisms for rejuvenation. Some rejuvenate themselves perpetually like the Amoeba, Hydra, and Aspen's others Like the immortal jellyfish rejuvenate themselves periodically reverting from adulthood back to an immature state. Through this periodic rejuvenation, it can live forever. Still, other species rejuvenate during sexual reproduction, where two adult cells from the parents come together to form a new cell that is reset to a younger state. Somehow, this process resets the clock on the cell and enables them to continue dividing for another human lifetime. In this way, every human cell belongs to a long, unbroken chain of human cellular divisions. This chain goes back millions of years. While no human individualism, mortal humanity as a whole is this is an important clue. within us our mechanisms to reset human cells to a younger nonsense essence state. These rejuvenated cells figure out how to clear cellular junk restore DNA And resumed dividing. If we could figure out the mechanisms for triggering this cellular reset, it might be possible to trigger those mechanisms in our existing cells. In 2006, the researchers Shinya Yamanaka discovered how to do this. He identified four proteins known as transcription factors, which when applied to a cell can reset it to a younger state. Using these four transcription factors, now called Yamanaka factors, he could program any cell to revert back to a pluripotent stem cell. These are cells in a state before they differentiate into separate types, such as skin cells, muscle cells, liver cells, brain cells, etc. Stem Cells are the cells that existed in the human embryo before they differentiated into our separate tissues and organs. In 2012, Yamanaka received the Nobel Prize in Medicine for the discovery mature cells can be reprogrammed to become pluripotent stem cells are the basis of the emerging field of Regenerative Medicine. Maintaining the machine. How long can a car be kept on the road? With proper care and maintenance there is no upper bound for how long a car can be kept in working order. Any damaged part that can't be repaired can be replaced replacing the parts. But what if parts couldn't be replaced? Imagine a great shortage of replacement parts for automobiles, a lack of spare fuel pumps, carburetors, tires, headlights, etc. Many otherwise functioning and serviceable cars would end up in the scrap heap all because it had a bad path that couldn't be replaced. This is the situation for our bodies. The lack of spare parts is now the leading cause of death in develop nations in the United States 35% of deaths. nearly a million people a year are due to the unavailability of organs. The problem has been getting worse. of the 30 million people diagnosed with heart disease in the US fewer than one in 1000 ever receives a heart transplant. But thanks to recent discoveries and technologies, there is hope. All these deaths become preventable when we can create new organs on demand through regenerative medicine. Quote, virtually any disease that results from malfunctioning, damaged or failing tissues may be potentially cured through regenerative medicine therapies. And quote, US Department of Health and Human Services in 2020. A new vision a future for Regenerative Medicine 2005 on demand organs The existing approach to organ transplant is less than ideal. Only one person in 300 dies in a way that allows organ donation. Moreover, for donation to succeed requires a close match. This has led to long waiting lists. Further, there is the chance of organ rejection, where the immune system attacks the organ as a foreign body. To reduce the chance of this, the recipient must be put on immunosuppressive drugs for life. New technologies allow for better ways. Replacement organs can be grown from the patient's own cells, not only guaranteeing availability, but also a perfect match. It eliminates any chance of rejection. In 2019, scientists printed the world's first living heart from human cells. It is complete with blood vessels, ventricles and chambers the technique of organ printing combines two base technologies, one, reprogramming adult cells to stem cells and then to other cell types to 3d printers that fabricate arbitrary three dimensional shapes with bioink. It starts by converting a patient's own cells into stem cells. These stem cells are then reprogrammed into cells of any kind. different cell types are used as bioink in a 3d printer that prints them into any shape. Some organs are comparatively simple. A bladder is composed of just two cell types, but a kidney has over 30. Nevertheless, complex organs have been successfully printed and even implanted in 2015. organ over bio printed human livers for use in drug testing by Merck in 2018. The axial 3d helped doctors in Ireland fashion the First bio printed kidney to be implanted in a human patient. The company bio life 4d promises to deliver custom organs that are a perfect fit. They will scan the patient's heart with an MRI machine to determine its exact shape and size. The printer then makes a custom heart in the exact dimensions of the patient's existing heart. days after printing, the cells fuse, the scaffolding dissolves and the heart begins beating. organ printing is a game changer. It will eliminate the need for immunosuppressive drugs, waiting lists and organ rejection. People will no longer have to die from a lack of spare parts. Quote, you die because your organs break. If we can start replacing them, we can extend life and quote Eric Gayton CEO the bio printing companies selling regenerative medicine technologies like bioprinting will extend and improve the lives of many. But as incredible as bio printing is, it's only the beginning for what will soon be possible. repairing the damage. Replacing organs requires surgery, which is expensive and risky. A less invasive form of maintenance is to repair organs and tissues in place to cause them to heal and rejuvenate themselves. It is akin to getting a tune up rather than replacing the engine. gene therapies and drugs may soon allow us to get tuneups for our bodies. This can restore us to a healthier, more youthful state. gene therapies for repair genes are the programming that govern the activities of every one of our cells. gene therapies seek to modify the genes or how they are expressed by adding activating deactivate adding or deleting genes. Tests of gene therapies on the lifespans of other species have produced incredible results. Below is a sample of what has been achieved so far. yeast in 2008, researchers knocked out two genes Ross to an sh nine found to promote aging and cancer in humans. They applied this gene modification to a population of yeast. Quote, we got a 10 fold lifespan extension that is, I think, the longest one that has ever been achieved in any organism. And quote, USC biologists and leader of the study valter Longo worms, in 1993, biologists knocked out a single gene called Death to the gene controls insulin like growth factor receptors and is present in humans. disabling this one gene double the lifespan of the worms. In 2013, scientists went further. In addition to inhibiting death to they blocked our escape is one which controls nutrients signaling pathways. They expect you to get a 130% increase in lifespan, but were shocked when they found the worms live five times longer. Quote, the two mutations set off a positive feedback loop in specific tissues that amplified lifespan. Basically, these worms live to the human equivalent of 400 to 500 years. End quote. Dr. Pankaj Kumar he who led the study mice. In 2008, scientists genetically modified mice to produce more of a DNA protecting enzyme called telomerase. They live 50% longer Moreover, stayed younger and healthier longer. In 1998, a dwarf mouse was genetically modified to have its growth hormone receptor, gh Ah, Gene knocked out kayo it was given the designation gh cow 11 C. As a result of this treatment, the mouse was smaller than average and also showed reduced insulin and blood sugar. But this mouse lived one month shy of its fifth birthday. This is more than double the normal lifespan for these mice 2.25 years. Quote, my slyke gh rk o dwarf mouse 11 seaonc born every day, but the lessons they teach to science are invaluable. And quote banjir Bart who worked with the mouse drugs for repair gene therapies remain highly experimental and risky. They are much higher To reverse. As a result, pharmaceutical interventions for life extension are farther along when it comes to human testing, eliminating senescence cells. In 2016, researchers from the Mayo Clinic found that systematically removing senescence cells with twice weekly injections of a p 20187. extended the lives of mice by 25%. It also delayed the onset of age related illnesses in the mice. Quote, it's not just that we're making these mice live longer, they actually stay healthier longer, too. That's important because if you were going to equate this to people, well, you don't want to just extend the years of life that people are miserable or hospitalized. And quote, author of the study Darren Baker in Popular Mechanics interview after the study came out, Nathaniel David founded the Unity biotechnology develops similar treatments for humans. Quote, if we can translate this biology into medicines, our children might grow up in a different world than we did. And quote, Nathaniel David, CEO of unity biotechnology in Fortune Magazine, repairing DNA. The chemical NAD plus can be found in every cell in your body, but it declines with age. It is believed to play a role in protecting DNA against damage. In 2017, an international team led by David Sinclair found that after a single week of treatment with a chemical called n MN, which converts to NAD plus in the body, the cells of older mice were restored to youth. Quote, the cells of the old mice were indistinguishable from the young mice after just one week of treatment. This is the closest we have to a safe and effective and To aging drug that's perhaps only three to five years away from being on the market if the trials go well, and quote, David Sinclair of the Paul F. Glenn center for the biology of aging at Harvard Medical School. Human safety trials of n mn began shortly after, and the results were published in 2020. So far, testing shows that it is safe, restoring youth, Shinya Yamanaka his Nobel Prize winning discovery of resetting adult cells to a younger state excited researchers in the anti aging field, but initial tests were disastrous. When Yamanaka factors were given to mice in large doses, they experienced rapid cellular growth. They developed tumors and cancer. All of my stayed in days. But in 2016, Juan Carlos icsu Belmonte, Professor of the gene expression, oratory at the Salk Institute discovered this could be avoided. By applying a lower and periodic dose of Yamanaka, factors, cells can be restored to a younger state without being turned all the way back into stem cells and losing their identity. Quote, that was the benefit. We don't kill the mouse. We don't generate tumors, but we have our rejuvenation. End quote. Juan Carlos icsu of El montay. In 2020, a team from Stanford found they could apply a low dose of Yamanaka factors to cartilage taken from an arthritic joint. This reverse the age of the cells and alleviated the inflammation. Members of the Stanford team formed turn bio technologies to commercialize therapies for osteoarthritis and other diseases. Human testing some of these therapies require years of safety and efficacy testing before they are approved for widespread use. But there are drugs already approved for other uses that show promise in age reversal. In 2019, researchers created a drug cocktail of three existing drugs, lithium, trametinib, and rapamycin. individually. Each of these drugs extended the lifespan of fruit flies by an average of 11%. taken in combination, the fruit flies live 48% longer. In the same year, a different group of scientists reported success with a different cocktail of drugs. This time tested in humans. The researchers combined the human growth hormone or HGH, the steroids vhda and the diabetes medication Metformin. The researchers gave this drug cocktail to human test subjects over one year while periodically measuring their biological clocks in the first nine month's participants aged at a rate of minus 1.6 years per year. This rate accelerated to minus 6.5 years per year in the final three months of the test. By the years and participants were 1.5 years younger than when they started the experiment. They had lost 2.5 years of age. Quote, I'd expected to see slowing down of the clock, but not a reversal. That felt kind of futuristic. And quote, The geneticist Steve Horvath who conducted the experiment, we might consider this drug cocktail a mark one elixir of life. Future medicines and technologies can only improve from here. Future strategies. The seven sins of aging are known. Already we have strategies for how these seven different types of damage might be pad. When every form of age related damage can be repaired. Even centenarians could be restored to a youthful body of a 25 year old, near term repair strategies. Many of these strategies have already been done in mice. It is only a matter of time before we can replicate them in humans. nanomedicine nanomedicine is medicine crossed with nanotechnology? Our bodies are based on nanoscale molecular machines. All biology is, in essence, an advanced nanotechnology that's been refined over billions of years. Trying to repair our bodies with blunt instruments like scalpels is like trying to repair a delicate computer chip using a screwdriver. only so much can be done within precise tools. But our ability to manipulate matter on the micro and nano scale may be key to future medical breakthroughs. We can already build computer chips with individual parts only 10s of atoms across swallowing the surgeon steerable nanobots have been developed. They could one day be used to precisely deliver medicine or perform micro surgeries. Quote, a friend of mine, Alberto Hibbs suggests a very interesting possibility for relatively small machines. He says that although it is a very wild idea, it would be interesting in surgery if you could swallow the surgeon doctor you put the mechanical surgeon inside the blood vessel it goes into the heart and looks around. Of course the information has to be fed out. It finds out which valve is the faulty one takes a little knife and slices it out. Other small machines might be permanently incorporated in the body to assist some inadequately functioning organ. And quote Richard Fineman in plenty of room At the bottom 1959 should we ever gain proficiency at manipulating matter the nanoscale, then there is no damage to our bodies that we could not repair. See our episodes how good can technology get? And can technology makers infinitely wealthy? For more on the promise of nanotechnology, digital immortality, even if aging is cured, people will still die from accidents and injury, people could still be killed and lost forever. The insurance information Institute estimated that in the US in 2018, the annual chance of a person dying from an injury was one in 1334. Even if we were biologically immortal, given the risk of accidents and injuries, only about one person in 1800 could be expected to see their 10,000th birthday. As we all know from experience When we don't back up important files, we are asking to lose them. But what about backing up our brains? As long as a digital backup of your brain exists, you could survive any accident. None of the technology could put you back together even after the complete destruction of your old body and brain. Death is data loss. The age old quest for immortality is then reduced to the relatively straightforward problem of long term data preservation. Already, we possess the technology to automatically scan and digitize brains. It was pioneered in 2006 by the professor of molecular and cellular biology, Jeff Lichtman, who leads researchers at Harvard center for brain science and his student Kenneth Hayworth, who later founded the brain preservation Foundation. The technology has since been commercialized in 2020. a collaboration between Such as from genelia and Google's connectomics research group used it to digitize the brain of a fruit fly. It can be downloaded from the website, fly circuit.tw and fruit fly brain.org. Google use their advanced AI and image processing algorithms to automatically reverse engineer brain circuitry from scans taken with electron microscopes. It produced a wiring diagram consisting of 25,000 brain cells and 3 million neural connections. Quote, in this work, we have achieved a dream of anatomists that is more than a century old. For at least the central brain with at least one animal with a complex brain and sophisticated behavior. We have a complete census of all the neurons and all the cell types that compose the brain, a definitive Atlas of the regions in which they reside and a graph representing how they are connected and quote, From a connectome of the adult Drosophila central brain 2020. The circuitry of the fruit fly brain takes up only 26 megabytes about 3.5% of a CD. But it's estimated that an equivalent digitization of the circuitry of the human brain would require 20 petabytes nearly a billion times more storage, or 1,000th of today's largest hard drives. At today's prices, it would cost over $300,000 just for the hard drives, but the cost of storing bits drops by a factor of 1000 every 15 years. If the trend holds by 2035, you could back up your brain for $300 longevity escape velocity in 1900, life expectancy in the United States was 47 years. By 2000. It had risen to 75 years an increase of 28 years over a century. Put another way for each year during the 20th century, life expectancy increased by three months. Should future technology enable life expectancy to grow by 12 months per year, then humanity will achieve technological immortality living long enough to live forever. Ray Kurzweil, author of Fantastic Voyage live long enough to live forever envisions a future where life extension technologies and more years every year than we age quotes and analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, contrary to the common sense, intuitive linear view. So we won't experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century, it will be more like 20,000 years of progress at today's rate, and quote, Ray Kurzweil in the Law of Accelerating Returns 2000 Aubrey de Grey has coined this concept longevity escape velocity. We don't possess technological immortality today. However, you might be young enough to live to that future where we do. Along the way, we might see age reversal therapies that Grant has enough extra time to make it to the point of technological immortality. Quote, I think the first person to live to 1000 might be 60 already, and quote, Aubrey de Grey in 2004 How old were you in 2004 if you were under 60, then According to degray, you could live long enough to celebrate your 1,000th birthday conclusiones every culture has a name for it amritha Soma and Rosia nectar of the gods tree of life the elixir of life Philosopher's Stone fountain of youth. All represent the same dream, escaping the fate of old age and death. Modern medicine is on the verge of finding a real fountain of youth. We extended lifespans of organisms tenfold use drugs to shave years off people's age, reprogram cells to become youthful, and we are developing tools that could one day enable digital immortality. Can we do it? In 2005, mit challenged molecular biologists to find a flaw in Aubrey de Grey strategies for engineered Negligible Senescence scns. They offered a $20,000 prize to whomever could make the best argument. Despite that, it was the opinion of the judges that no submission met the criterion of the challenge and disproved scns. Since 2005, we've learned to create stem cells, print organs and modify genes that will find quote is as true today as it was when he spoke it, there is nothing in biology yet found that indicates the inevitability of death. This is confirmed by the discovery of Immortal species they show it is possible to repair all the damage that comes with age. We know it can be done. It's then only a matter of time until we figure it out. Should we do it? The less certain question is not whether we can do it, but should we Some say to use such powers is unnatural that it is playing God or that it will lead to disastrous overpopulation and resource depletion. Life Extension is unnatural. By this measure, every technology from books to air conditioning to soap is unnatural. But it is our nature to transcend our natural limits. Why stop with aging when it causes so much suffering? quote We will transcend death and that natural cycle. We're not just grapes on the vine, we are overcoming that natural process that we emerged from. Yes, we came from nature, but we are going to surpass it through the power of our technology, which comes from our mind made manifest in the real world. And quote, Ray Kurzweil overpopulation. The Roman philosopher lucretius argued 2000 years ago, the death was good, because it made room for the next generation. Quote, up with good grace, make room for sons now must justly, I fancy what she reasonless justly invaded good since ever the old, out crowded by the new gives way andeavor though the one thing from the others is repaired and quote, Titus lucretius cars in on the nature of things circa 60 BC. But this reasoning that curing death inevitably leads to overpopulation, overcrowding, resource depletion and environmental destruction ignores possibilities that technology makes possible. Consider the following example from history. Quote, suppose you're a scientist 200 years ago who has figured out how to drastically lower infant mortality with better hygiene. You give a talk on this, and someone stands up in back and says, hang on, if we do that we're going to have a population explosion. If you reply, no, everything will be fine because we all wear these absurd rubber things when we have sex. Nobody would have taken us seriously. Yet that's just what happened. barrier contraception was widely adopted about the time that infant mortality began dropping Quote, Aubrey de Grey in fortune 2004 technological solutions. The technologies that enabled nanomedicine and digital immortality are the very same tools that can solve problems of overpopulation, overcrowding, and resource depletion, all while allowing the world's population of humans to increase by a factor of millions. Our current approach to growing food is enormously inefficient. It takes an acre of farmland to feed each person. Over the day, this acre of farmland receives an average of 663,684 watts of solar energy. If we use this energy to directly synthesize food, for example, with nanotechnology, we could feed 6853 people. Food synthesis technology will enable us to drastically reduce our footprint on the environment wireless At the same time support much greater human populations. What about overcrowding? humanity, as it turns out, does not take up much space. Every human on Earth, all 7.8 billion of us could fit in a building one cubic mile in volume and 1000 of these buildings would fit in the Grand Canyon. The reason we face overpopulation and resource depletion today is that our food production is so space and energy and efficient. See our episode what are the limits of human population growth. future technologies like mind uploading will not only provide each person unlimited space in virtual reality, but also enable people to live anywhere. For instance, on the moon, the moon receives 13,000 terawatts of solar energy. Since the human brains uses 20 watts of power, this is enough energy to power 650 trillion human souls 83,000 times us current population, we could leave Earth and allow the environment to heal. Perhaps this has happened already. See our episode? Are we living in a computer simulation? Will we do it? There are compelling reasons to try. The upside is huge people working on it. Many organizations are working on if not devoted to a cure for aging. This includes the sensory search Foundation, Google back to Calico, human longevity. Harvard's Paul F. Glenn center for biology of aging research UCLA is molecular biology Institute, the American Academy of anti aging medicine by Aviva turn bio technologies unity biotechnology, the Methuselah foundation and H x to name a few must we do it Perhaps the question isn't Can we? Or should we? But mustn't we? Everyday 100,000 people die from age related illnesses? Do we not have a moral imperative to save these people? We will do it. What old person doesn't wish to be younger? Which sick person doesn't want to be healthy? When has humanity ever not tried something that was possible? There is overwhelming demand for restoring youth and extending lifespan. Perhaps not everyone will go for it. But some will. The option to spend longer than 120 years on this planet will become available. The implication is that if you can live long enough, you will be able to live forever, or at least as long as you want. But is it necessary to try to prolong life in the here and now of this universe? That depends. See our episode. Their life after death.

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